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CPZ extension approved

For better or worse the Friars Green CPZ extension into the area west of Horn Lane has been approved. The notice said it should be in place by Christmas

Patrick Gray ● 5415d45 Comments

Where did you see this notice?The last we heard was that the work was starting this month, does this notice say when the work will start?If you read a previous posting, you will see an e-mail response from Anthony Crane.  If you missed it, here it is again.Thank you for your email. Works are due to begin this month. In view of the size of the area and possible disruptions to work due to the weather, we anticipate the works taking around 6 weeks. In terms of when the scheme will go live, this will depend largely on Parking Services. The tendency is for schemes to go live on the first of the month, for ease of administration etc. In which case I'm hopeful that a January 1st live date will be proposed. Residents are then given a 2/3 week grace period before enforcement formally begins.We should have more firm information in the next fortnight once our contractors have supplied us with the programme of works. Upon receipt of this, we'll be able to update Parking Services and they can begin rolling out the necessary documentation for permits to residents and businesses.If you have any further queries, don't hesitate to contact me.Anthony CraneCPZ & Parking EngineerHighwaysLB Ealing(020)8825-6710cranea@ealing.gov.uk

Nicola Howard ● 5414d

Since when did Ealing Council do anything on schedule?! The rest of that zone took 2 years to implement! However, I'm happy to see the council are landscaping Friars Green... well not sure it's called Friars Green, it's the scrappy little bit of grass in Friary Road.  According to the workmen "it's gonna look lovely, darlin, it'll have benches and bins"  Benches and bins eh?! Fancy! :-)

Sarah Harris ● 5414d

A letter was posted through our door (Julian Avenue) this morning (Monday) saying the works are to start shortly and should be substantialy completed by December 23rd with implementation to follow in the new year. Although the letter was headed Ealing Council its footer was from their contractors.

David Groves ● 5414d

If the work starts next Monday they will be roughly on schedule, but with only four weeks to complete. I thought they said six.

Bob Crossley ● 5414d

Have the council allowed for the wrong sort of leaves on the road (tracks.)????

Nicola Howard ● 5414d

PSThis CPZ is a bit like British Rail.  We'll get there but, not on time.  Better late than never!

Nicola Howard ● 5414d

It looks like they have started marking Essex Road in preparation for the extension of the CPZ area!

Jean F Fernandez ● 5411d

Has anybody else seen the markings outside what was the TA centre on Horn Ln?...a cycle lane between the bus stop and Julian Ave. The marking is two circles with handlebars.... insanity!  What nutter thought this one up?  Ealing council do like their cycle paths.  Just look at the one on Crown Street, how many people use it?  None.

Nicola Howard ● 5411d

Essex Rd fully marked up for CPZ now

Bob Crossley ● 5410d

Are you saying that you would prefer it if bikes could not access the contraflow cycle lane on Crown Street?

Steven Kealey ● 5410d

As the proud owner of a new CPZ can someone explain the visitors parking rates. 50p for one hour or £3.50 all day. Is that righ? Surely two one hour slots in a day is £1 or am I misunderstanding something.

Bob Crossley ● 5410d

Is it a contraflow cycle lane, or is it an excuse to go along a one-way street the wrong way, road narrowing or, reduced parking spaces for deliveries?  I have never seen any cyclist using the overpriced cycle lane on Crown St. (I think this was introduced by a loony labour mob.)The question still remains, what is the use of a cycle lane on Horn Ln from the Creswick Rd bus stop to Julian Ave?

Nicola Howard ● 5410d

Visitor and service vouchers - Controlled parking zones ...... cpzs, penalty charge notices, ealing borough cpzs, parking permits and visitor ... controlled parking zone (CPZ) can buy vouchers to allow visitors ... MM. 5. 50p. £5. 1 hourwww.ealing.gov.uk/.../parking/642/controlled_parking_zones/6 - Cached

Nicola Howard ● 5410d

Bob,Use two 50p vouchers marked up for each of the two hours.  The all day ones are designed for places where they have long, continuous hours.

Phil Taylor ● 5410d

Phil Is this correct.  Five tickets per book, 50p each, cost £5?  This was taken from the Ealing council web site.  Surely it should either be 10 tickets per book for £5 or 5 tickets for £2:50.  Our times are only 10am - 11am and 4pm - 5pm.MM Tickets 5 Cost 50p Price per book £5 1 hourCould the opposition sort out this conundrum and, get this ruling administration to come clean?  Any chance of a speedy election?

Nicola Howard ● 5410d

Nicola, We are also Zone MM and our book Was £5 for 10 tickets. Hope this helps.

Jean F Fernandez ● 5410d

Nicola,I am sure that it is just a typo.  10 for £5.00.  In London local elections are held every four years.  Next one in May 2014.  Ealing voters have more than two years of leisurely repentance!

Phil Taylor ● 5410d

Thanks Phil.Just doing my duty.  I will keep it going for the next 2yrs.Considering standing for the Monster Raving Loonys but, will still vote Tory.

Nicola Howard ● 5410d

Definitely for the worse! Watch for tickets on the double yellows!

Jane Quill ● 5409d

Don't you get tickets on double yellows anyway?

Bob Crossley ● 5409d

Yup.Park on double yellow at your peril.  Are double yellows going in around the 40s on Essex Rd?

Nicola Howard ● 5409d

"Is it a contraflow cycle lane, or is it an excuse to go along a one-way street the wrong way" That's the definition of a contraflow lane!Do you know it was overpriced? Do you think that it's a waste of money to build a path that isn't for cars?The fact is that that route has been made one way to stop cars using a residential street as a rat run. And the space created has been allocated over to bikes to provide a safe short cut which avoids a dangerous busy junction. Yet you complain about its existence. I've not seen the cycle lane on Horn Lane.

Steven Kealey ● 5409d

Crown St was one-way long before they put in the cycle lane and, at a cost of £100,000.  Money well spent?  I cannot confirm, but monies were allocated for Springfield Gardens, which were waylaid...for a cycle lane...guess where!The cycle lane on Horn Ln has at yet not been put in but, the markings are there.  in fact they are on both sides of the road, the other by the recent development (the on with the green window type things.)What is the point of a 15-20mtr cycle lane when they have to negotiate parked cars in K1 parking spaces?  There is no logic to it.Will cycle lanes stop cyclists from riding on the pavement and, will the police enforce the law?  This includes, riding on the pavement, jumping traffic lights and, pavement rage when a pedestrian has the right of way and are subjected to abuse by a cyclist who has to go where they belong...on the road.

Nicola Howard ● 5409d

£100,000. Really? Why should it be any more expensive than building an area of road that size. But certainly worth the expense if/when it saves someone from getting crushed by a left turning lorry at the junction by the Redback.I'm completely with you about pointless cycle lanes - a 15 m one on Horn Lane sounds worse than useless, but the one on Crown St is actually useful.Cycle lanes absolutely would stop cyclists riding on the pavement. The roads are dangerous and its no surprise that some people would rather avoid it. Look at the fantastic cycling culture in Denmark and the Netherlands - mostly due to an extensive network of safe off road cycles lanes.But then the usual anger about cyclists jumping traffic lights comes up! What is more dangerous - a 15 kg (plus rider) bike jumping a red light at 15 mph, or a 5000 kg van jumping a red light at 40 mph? I see both on a daily basis and personally find the latter much much scarier. Cyclists are so many people's favourite punch bag.I'd much rather the police in London spent more resources on tackling the real threat to lives on the streets, and that is careless and dangerous motorists. You're correct to suggest that cyclists belong on the road, but I've lost count of the number of times I've got abuse from motorists telling me I shouldn't be on the road because I don't pay "road tax"?!

Steven Kealey ● 5409d

You're correct to suggest that cyclists belong on the road, but I've lost count of the number of times I've got abuse from motorists telling me I shouldn't be on the road because I don't pay "road tax"?!Careful, don't give this council ideas.  Their next loony scheme may be to tax cyclists.  Mind you, I think in Holland, you have to register a bike but, correct me if I'm wrong.I want to know what the council do with the revenue they collect from parking fines, CPZ etc.  Do they use it to improve and repair the roads, which  they should do, or, is it used to swell the coffers for other services, which is illegal!  If the revenue raised from fines etc is used to improve the roads, why do the council need money from Bojo?  I'm thinking of the proposed roundabout Acton High St and Steyne Rd.  How will this help cyclists?

Nicola Howard ● 5409d

It is normal practice to put double yellows on all corners within a CPZ when it is created.

Vlod Barchuk ● 5408d

Ah now I see what Jane Quill is referring to. However I saw a car parked on the corner which is about to get double yellows, getting a ticket (from a motorbike warden) a few weeks ago for parking badly on the very same corner even before the CPZ was confirmed.

Bob Crossley ● 5408d

The corners are fine.  The dead end at the end of Shalimar Road has been used for parking for the last eleven years.  It now has a double line, so we have lost another space.

Jane Quill ● 5408d

I don't think you do, Bob.  I've never approved of parking on corners - double yellow or not it is illegal if you read the road regulations. 

Jane Quill ● 5408d

And we lose 5 spaces to stop and shop bays. It will be interesting to see how much space is gained overall.

Bob Crossley ● 5408d

Does anyone know the position of big vehicles such as vans, lorries etc? Eg the multi-coloured caravanette with its enormous trailer which occupy at least 4 normal car spaces in Julian Avenue - would they require just a normal permit or some sort of extended permit?

Patrick Gray ● 5406d

Do they live here? I always thought they were visitors. The boat has gone, so I assumed they had parked up and gone on holiday.

Bob Crossley ● 5406d

Controlled parking zonesTerms and conditions for parking permits and voucher applicationThe council may withdraw a permit if it appears that any of the particulars supplied are false.Eligibility for a resident's or business permitThe entire vehicle must fit within the marked space:(a) A passenger vehicle.(b) A goods carrying vehicle, the overall height of which does not exceed 3 metres.(c) A motorcycle.(d) A goods carrying vehicle, the overall width of which does not exceed 1.83 metres.Requirements for applications and issue of permits(a) An application form must be completed each time a permit is requested, including the renewal of an existing permit and/or a change of vehicle.(b) The applicant named must sign the application (unless applying online).(c) The applicant must provide a valid proof of residency and must be a resident in the Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) for which you are applying.(d) If the applicant does not own the vehicle for which he/she is applying, then the applicant needs to satisfy the council that the vehicle is solely driven and kept by the applicant with the owner’s permission.(e) The vehicle for which the applicant is applying must not exceed 3.00 metres in height and 1.83 metres in width. The use of resident's parking spaces and parking rermits(a) Resident permit holders are only permitted to park in Pay and Display bays if they pay the appropriate charge.(b) A residents’ parking permit does not allow the holder to park in stop and shop bays or specific users bays – e.g. disabled bays.(c) A resident parking permit allows the vehicle for which it has been issued to park in any available residents parking space with the CPZ(d) Individual parking spaces will not be allocated to any particular vehicle.(e) The permit enables the holder to park within the allocated zone only.Renewal of a parking permitAttempts will be made to send out an application form inviting renewal of an existing parking permit.  However the onus is on the resident to ensure the permit is renewed.  If you have changed your vehicle within the last 12 months we also require a copy of the log book (V5C).Change or disposal of vehicle or the resident moving out of the CPZ(a) On the change of a vehicle the old permit must be returned to parking services.  A £10 administration fee must be paid and an application form completed for the new vehicle.(b) On disposal (without replacement) of the vehicle, or on moving out of the CPZ, the permit must be returned to parking services and a refund will be made for each complete month unexpired, less an administration charge of £15.  No returns will be made for an unexpired time of 3 months or less.Lost, destroyed or spoilt permitsIf a permit is lost or spoilt there is an administration fee of £15 for re-issue of the permit.Stolen permitsWill be replaced free of charge following written confirmation with a crime reference number from the police.Bank HolidaysThe control on the residents’ parking spaces does not apply on Christmas Day, Good Friday, or Bank Holiday.The council reserves the right to amend charges and procedures.Pages in Controlled parking zones    Introduction    Ealing borough CPZs    Annual permits    Temporary permits    Suspension of parking bays    Visitor and service vouchers    Apply for resident's visitor vouchers    Renew your resident's permit    Apply for a new resident's permit    Supporting documents for proof of residency and vehicle ownership    You are here: Terms and conditions for parking permits and voucher application

Nicola Howard ● 5406d

Nothing about length or trailers in the CPZ Terms and Conditions Nikki

Bob Crossley ● 5406d

I use that cycle lane all the time - in both directions. And it's not just an excuse for riding the wrong way . the other one I use massively is against the flow on Goldsmith Road. Again very sensible not to make cyclists take the long way round just because cars need a one-way system.Anything that helps keep cyclists both safe and legal is good by me.

Sara Nathan ● 5406d

No traffic wardens to ask.  If I see one tomorrow, will ask.

Nicola Howard ● 5405d

PSTry this, to bloody long to e-mail or put on the forum.http://www.ealing.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/1755/parking_code_of_practice

Nicola Howard ● 5405d

Nicola, I have tried in the past to get the size of vehicles decreased.  As we had in our road parked a white mercedes van which was the length of 2 cars!!  Conveniently it was exactly the right width!  But extremely tall.Ealing allows the largest 'commercial' vehicles to park in CPZ'S in west London.  Defeats the object of calling it residents parking - should be residents business vehicle parking perhaps?

Dee Cook ● 5405d

DeeBy chance would that be Grafton?  We have Cozy, and, long wheel base transits at night.  With the exception of the Cozy van, everything else has a permit.

Nicola Howard ● 5405d

I am concerned. They have marked out 18 bays on Julian Avenue - where it meets Horn Lane, south side of street (in front of Grasgarth). Does anyone have copy of proposed CPZ, I thought it was only 4-6 bays. If this is correct, parking will be worse than before for us.

Eilis Devendra ● 5404d

I mentioned this to David today after I spotted it. It seems overkill to me. At least half of them should be Creswick Road by Springfield Gardens. The original CPZ consultation here had no Stop And Shop bays. But the Horn Lane improvement consultation inserted them.

Bob Crossley ● 5404d

Thanks Bob.I would accept 8 maximum. But the street looks like a carpark and I haven't seen any other residential street with so many. I really can't understand it. As you say Creswick (& Rosemount) are more suitable, around the park, as they will be empty when CPZ is implemented.And they are closer to high street.

Eilis Devendra ● 5404d

Are these continuous broken lines with crossbars (H)?  We only have four on the corner on Grafton/Horn Ln.If these are restricted parking bays, half hour with no return within one hour, do not whatever you do, park in them with a permit, as you will get a PCN.  It has happened twice on Grafton to people who live on the road.I don't know if anyone saw the programme about CPZ, where a council only did part of the area, causing displacement, very much to the annoyance of residents, then only to have to implement the rest of the area.  Who copied who?  It was also alleged that the councils are making the bays narrower so that the wheels are outside the markings, again a PCN for incorrect parking. What a bloody con.  If Ealing start this malarkey, I can see trouble ahead. (Nothing like a good bit of council bashing.  I remember when I got a PCN for being legally parked outside my own front door (disabled bay) I paid the ticket, then gave parking services HELL, it even made it into the Gazette as it was borough wide, (got it refunded.))

Nicola Howard ● 5404d

We are losing so many parking spaces in Julian Avenue - all the spaces for shoppers plus the huge increase in the double yellows on the corners. We already had double yellows on most of the corners - a modest and sensible length. Now they've been more than doubled in most cases. I thought the regulations specify a particular length so why were they one length previously and a different length now. I wish I had listened to the person who circulated the "anti" leaflet before the voting took place rather than to the vociferous supporters here

Patrick Gray ● 5403d

PatrickI agree that EIGHTEEN stop and shop bays in Julian is rediculous overkill. Strange that no one was aware of the plans for so many of these bays. Could the council be challenged over that ommision. Why on earth are they not in Creswick by the park where there are no houses and the flats opposite have their own parking?However I do think the whole area looks much better now with far neater parking already.

Bob Crossley ● 5403d