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Sorry missed this bit.Related Articles    Britain cannot deport radical cleric, court rules    17 Jan 2012    Abu Qatada could be free within days    24 Jan 2012    Radical Muslims 'target inmates in prison’    06 Feb 2012    Terrorist gang could walk free in just six years    01 Feb 2012"However the risk of absconding, however the risk of further offending, there comes a point when it's just too long."There comes a time when it's just too long, however grave the risks."Mr Fitzgerald added that the eight-and-a-half years Qatada spent in custody was equivalent to a 17-year jail sentence.The bail hearing was ordered after Qatada, once described by a Spanish judge as "Osama bin Laden's right-hand man in Europe", won an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) last month.Human rights judges ruled last month that sending Qatada back to face terror charges without assurances that evidence gained through torture would not be used against him would deny him his right to a fair trial and be a "flagrant denial of justice".Mrs May vowed that Qatada, who has been held for six-and-a-half years, would be kept behind bars while she considered all legal options to send him back.The Home Office added that he "poses a real risk to national security".But Qatada's defence team said he has been kept behind bars for more than six years already and should be released.The ruling last month was the first time that the Strasbourg-based court has found an extradition would be in violation of Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights, the right to a fair trial, which is enshrined in UK law under the Human Rights Act.But the Home Secretary has three months to lodge an appeal with the court's Grand Chamber.The Henry Jackson Society think-tank said the ruling "undermines national security" while former home secretary David Blunkett warned Qatada was "extraordinarily dangerous and we don't want him on our streets".Qatada, also known as Omar Othman, 51, featured in hate sermons found on videos in the flat of one of the September 11 bombers.Since 2001, when fears of the domestic terror threat rose in the aftermath of the attacks, he has challenged, and ultimately thwarted, every attempt by the Government to detain and deport him.Law Lords ruled almost three years ago that he could be sent back to Jordan and Lord Phillips, now president of the Supreme Court - the highest court in the land - said torture in another country does not require the UK "to retain in this country, to the detriment of national security, a terrorist suspect".But the human rights court went against that judgment, agreeing with the earlier 2008 decision of the Court of Appeal which said there were reasonable grounds for believing he would be denied a fair trial in Jordan.Since 2001, when fears of the domestic terror threat rose in the aftermath of the attacks, he has challenged, and ultimately thwarted, every attempt by the Government to detain and deport him.Law Lords ruled almost three years ago that he could be sent back to Jordan and Lord Phillips, now president of the Supreme Court, said torture in another country does not require the UK ''to retain in this country, to the detriment of national security, a terrorist suspect''.But the human rights court went against that judgment, agreeing with the earlier 2008 decision of the Court of Appeal which said there were reasonable grounds for believing he would be denied a fair trial in Jordan.Qatada is believed to have spent longer in custody "than any other detainee in modern immigration history", according to legal arguments lodged with Siac by his legal team."The period falls into a category of time that is so grave - and indeed unprecedented in the modern era - as to bear no acceptable continuing justification," the submission went on."It has now become undeniably 'apparent that the Secretary of State will not be able to effect deportation within that reasonable period'."An appeal to the Strasbourg-based court's Grand Chamber would take between 18 months and two years, it said.It added that seeking further assurances from Jordan "will do no more than initiate new domestic proceedings in this country in relation to the convictions based on unfair trials in Jordan of which the Home Office has been on notice for more than a decade".But Tim Eicke QC, for the Home Secretary, said Mrs May did not accept that Qatada's detention was unlawful.The length of detention "has to be weighed against the risks" and "he poses a particularly serious risk to the UK"."The Secretary of State has also taken all steps to diligently try to achieve removal and deportation as soon as possible."

Nicola Howard ● 5335d

Well he may be out of jail after six years detention without being charged but he is not exactly 'free'....From the BBC website:Abu Qatada is being released under some of the strictest bail restrictions possible under English law.The full conditions, published by the Special Immigration Appeals Commission, are as follows:Electronic tagging and reporting to a monitoring companyFixed address22-hour curfew, with permission to leave home for a maximum of one hour twice a dayPolice and others permitted to enter and search his home No travel ticket or papersBan on leaving a small area in his neighbourhood, set out on a map that he has been givenBanned from attending a mosqueBanned from leading prayers, other than those in his own family He must not publish any statement Nobody can enter home other than family, his lawyers and Home Office officials or children under 14Any other visitor must be vetted by the Home OfficeHe cannot make any arrangements to meet anyone outside the home without permissionIf he meets an acquaintance by chance, he must make his excuses and leave No meeting with 27 named individuals, some of whom are in prison No meeting with anyone who is held on the new form of control orders known as TPims (Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures)No mobile phoneNo internet connectionNo computer kit that can be connected to the netVisitors may not use a mobile in his home He may only have one bank accountHe may not hold any bank or credit card not connected to that account He may not transfer money out of the UKHe may not help others buy, sell or obtain computer equipment Any educational course or training must be approved by the home secretary Any job must be similarly approved

Iain Muir ● 5328d

0:47AM GMT 14 Feb 2012The extremist preacher was freed from Long Lartin top security jail on Monday evening but will be banned from holding lengthy conversations with anyone beyond his family and will not be allowed to leave his home for 22 hours a day — including going into his garden. He is prohibited from using a mobile phone, computer or the internet.Officials hope that the measures will prove temporary as James Brokenshire, the security minister, prepares to fly to Jordan, where Qatada has been convicted in his absence of terrorism-related offences.The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) blocked Britain from deporting the 51-year-old Islamist cleric to Jordan after ruling that he might not receive a fair trial.Former Home Secretary Lord Reid said that Abu Qatada posed a "dangerous threat" to Britain and argued that "whilst [Abu Qatada] has rights, so do the 65 million people in the country."The UK Government should seek assurances from the Jordanian authorities that no evidence against Abu Qatada would be used in trial that had been gained "through inhumane treatment or torture," Lord Reid said. ........................................................................................7:17AM GMT 14 Feb 2012Mrs Othman, 70, said her son would be better off returning home to face trial in Jordan after he was released from prison under some of the most draconian bail conditions ever imposed by a British court.Speaking from her home in the Jordanian capital Amman, Mrs Othman told the Daily Mail: “Britain is very wrong to keep my son.“He has been away too long. We want him home now."I don’t know why the British keep him. There is no good reason. I can’t see why they would want him.Qatada was freed from Long Lartin top security jail but will be banned from holding lengthy conversations with anyone beyond his family.He will not be allowed to leave his home for 22 hours a day — including going into his garden and is prohibited from using a mobile phone, computer or the internet.Officials hope that the measures will prove temporary as James Brokenshire, the security minister, prepares to fly to Jordan, where Qatada has been convicted in his absence of terrorism-related offences.The European Court of Human Rights blocked Britain from deporting the 51-year-old Islamist cleric to Jordan after ruling that he might not receive a fair trial.Mrs Othman insisted her son was not a terrorist but his brother and a close friend said he was in regular phone contact with Osama Bin Laden until 2001 and regarded the late Al Qaeda leader as a “wise man”.They said Qatada supported jihadist groups in Algeria and Libya but denied he had any involvement in terror attacks in Jordan.His younger brother, Ibrahim Abu Omar Othman, 32, said: “I wish very much to have him back, of course."But I am worried he will be tortured if he returns if there is not a special agreement to say he cannot be harmed and that he will have fair treatment by the authorities."Hassan Abu Hanyiah, an old school friend of Qatada, added: “He spoke to Bin Laden many, many times by phone, although they never met in person because they were never in the same country together.“Before September 11, speaking to Bin Laden was not a big deal. He admired Bin Laden as a wise man who knew many things. He liked and respected him a lot.”The courts have described Qatada as a “dangerous risk”. He is specifically not allowed any contact with 27 people, including Ayman al-Zawahiri, the al-Qaeda leader.Under the bail conditions, if he meets an acquaintance in a chance encounter, he “must, after any initial greeting, disengage himself from the situation”. Another condition stops him from leading prayers, giving lectures or preaching, other than to offer advice to his wife and children at his home.David Cameron is under mounting pressure to find a way of deporting Qatada, even if it means defying the European court.Jordan said on Monday it would “very soon” approach the court with new guarantees that Qatada would be treated fairly if he was deported. “[The law] mentions very expressly that any evidence obtained from torture or a threat of torture should not be admissible before the courts in Jordan,” said Ayman Odeh, the justice minister.“We are confident that once we have the chance to make this statement through the diplomatic channels … [it] will be taken into consideration.”Jordan passed an amendment banning evidence obtained from torture last September.Home Office sources said Jordan’s new efforts should not be considered a “quick fix”, meaning Qatada could remain free in Britain for months.The taxpayer will have to fund up to 60 police officers at a cost of about £10,000 a week to protect the extremist preacher from vigilante attacks.Peter Bone, a senior Conservative backbencher, called for the Government to deport Qatada and “worry about the consequences of the European Court later”.“Other countries have done this in the past: Italy did it, they put their national interests first,” he said. “They put the interests of saving the lives of men, women and children in Italy before the so-called rights of an extremist terrorist and nothing really happened to Italy. We should act in that way. Send him home.”On Monday, a Downing Street spokesman did not rule out the possibility of a deportation in defiance of the European Court. “We are committed to removing him from the country,” he said. “We want to see him deported. We are looking at all the options for doing that.”

Nicola Howard ● 5327d

Can't find the article but, found this:A senior Jordanian government minister has told Sky News that the radical cleric Abu Qatada will receive a new, fair trial with full rights, if he is extradited to Jordan.Jordan's legislative affairs minister, Ayman Odeh, met a delegation of UK Home Office officials in the capital, Amman, on Tuesday morning.Home Office minister James Brokenshire led the delegation on a mission to seek assurances from the Jordanians that evidence obtained through torture would not be used in any criminal case against Qatada.In January, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that any move to extradite the 51-year-old cleric to Jordan, where he is wanted on terrorism charges, would be in breach of his right to a fair trial.Theresa MayHome Secretary Theresa May has described Qatada as a 'real threat to the UK'Qatada was released from Long Lartin prison in Worcestershire on Monday night, after immigration court judges granted him bail.He is subject to strict bail conditions. He will have to obey a 22-hour-a-day home curfew, wear an electronic tag and is banned from using the internet and telephone.Mr Odeh told Sky News Middle East correspondent Emma Hurd that Jordan introduced an amendment to its constitution in Oct 2011 to forbid torture and outlaw the use of evidence obtained through torture - or the threat of it - in trials.He said the European Court of Human Rights had not taken this into account when making its ruling on Qatada last month.Mr Odeh said that Qatada's previous two convictions in Jordan were in absentia.He said the convictions would be cancelled on his return to Jordan and he would be given a fresh trial.The minister denied claims by human rights organisations that the use of torture was routine in Jordan - but admitted that there may have been a few incidents.He said he thought that statements made before the European Court of Human Rights had been unfair on Jordan, which he said had an independent judiciary.

Nicola Howard ● 5324d

A HORRIFIED landlord has learned freed terror suspect Abu Qatada is living in his house — and said: "I want him out."comment on this story 2 commentsRelated Stories    Home free ... hate preacher is escorted from van to his front door in West London    Qatada in Wembley    HATE preacher has been freed to live near stadium - a terror target    The Sun Says    Evil Abu Qatada freed from jail    Sign petition to kick out Qatada    Jordan: Qatada fair trial vow    Qatada could stay for yearsThe owner thought he had let the £400,000 property to a single mum and her four kids.He did not know the woman was Qatada's wife or that the hate cleric would join her.The £1,900-a-month rent for the five-bed house in North West London is paid by benefits.The revelation came as The Sun went to 10 Downing Street to deliver our 110,000-name Must Try Harder To Kick Out Qatada petition.You can still join the call for Qatada to be shown the door by clicking on the link below.Click here to sign petitionThe furious landlord told of his "shock" at discovering the hate preacher is his tenant and said: "I would never rent my property to someone like Qatada."He added: "This is humiliating. I cannot believe it. This is not something I stand for. Abu Qatada is in my house and I want him and his family out."The landlord, who cannot be named for legal reasons, thought he had let the property to a single mother.He was stunned when he found out the mum is 51-year-old Qatada's wife and that the hate preacher moved in with her after he was freed from jail on Monday.He said: "I didn't know anything about this — I am shocked."In January, I got a call from the lettings agency saying this woman wanted to rent it on a year's contract. They even had a lawyer to agree the tenancy agreement."They said she was a single woman with no husband. Her surname is not the same as his. The woman is claiming benefit. They are paying me £1,900 a month. I have a contract with a six-month break clause but I will have to see what I can do."Qatada — wanted on terrorism charges in his native Jordan — was detained for 6½ years amid fears he is a threat to national security.But the al-Qaeda sympathiser, given asylum here in 1994, was freed following a European Court of Human Rights ruling that bars Britain from deporting him to Jordan. The court decided evidence against him might be gained by torture.Qatada is under a 22-hour curfew and must wear a tag. There was no sign of him yesterday at the house — watched from a distance by plain-clothed officers. But a steady stream of visitors called. The cleric's bail conditions could be lifted in three months, leaving taxpayers facing a £500,000-a-year bill for cops to keep tabs on him.Security minister James Brokenshire is in Jordan trying to broker a deal that would allow Britain to boot Qatada back to his homeland.But yesterday a Jordanian prince refused to give assurances on him getting a fair trial.In a BBC interview Prince El Hassan, the uncle of Jordan's King Abdullah, said sarcastically: "If this man has committed crimes, I don't know what kind of court one has to offer to the Europeans. Does it want a juvenile court?" He added the Qatada issue was "essentially a British/European conversation".THE Sun delivered its Must Try Harder To Kick Out Qatada petition to 10 Downing Street yesterday — and it has now been signed by a staggering 110,700 readers.It took just eight days to gain such massive support, making it the fastest-growing newspaper petition in modern history.Tory MP Dominic Raab, who signed yesterday, said: "This is evidence of a groundswell of support for restoring democratic control over who makes law in Britain."PM David Cameron responded to the petition by saying the Government is "doing all we can" to deport Qatada.

Nicola Howard ● 5324d

The rule of law protects our freedoms which are many more than say two hundred years ago. So when I get fed up with a political party I can vote for another without being shot. The next government imposes some (for me) objectionable law but because I have agreed to abide by the rule of law. I have to live with those who support the new law. That is perhaps what Democracy is partly supposed to be about. It means I have to be liberal minded enough to accept changes of law imposed upon me which I don’t particularly like, and also liberal minded enough to live in a society which partly I disagree with. In exchange I require the executive not to exceed powers by submitting itself to the baying crowd..Being liberal minded in this context does not make me a hard capitalist Tory or a soft pinko who showers us with rights at the cost of responsibility. It simply gives me the choice to be one or other of those, or something in between.If I give up this belief in being liberal by advocating unlawful actions which contravene decisions made under due process then that is a kind of deceit or fraud. Doesn’t matter on the exact word. But what does matter is that I am giving in to a belief system which is advocated by those ranting extremists who are determined to diminish or rid us of democracy – symbolised in some of the postings here. So by suspending the rule of law which supports democracy I would be stooping to beliefs held in some other parts of the world which are odious. I would be giving in to their idea of life.We saw that close to home 70 years ago. We keep seeing it. Far better to be liberal.

George Knox ● 5324d

When a private landlord contracts with the LA to let his house, not always does the landlord get to know the tenant. Landlord just lets his property and leaves the LA to get on with it sometimes independently.Even if Theresa May returns bearing gifts, the issue will likely to go through the courts again, because the government believes in the supremacy of the rule of law. It will be nervous of abusing its powers despite those street mobs who seek to use remedies which undermine the strength of democracy, which is exactly what AQ and his ilk would like. That is why the baying crowds are wrongly focused. To require us to abide by the law, if it must be politicised, is not primarily a Liberal viewpoint – more right wing I would have thought. I also want border controls and immigration laws tightened even more and very soon. And I want AQ out.Further it is my opinion that the law must not be suspended – whatever the result. It seems that a few who don’t like its consequences, think they can dismiss the opinion with a demand that they should not be judged. There is a claim that they were brung up proper with morals to believe in right and wrong. And so the implication is that they must be on higher ground and that they must be right, and that any disagreement or alternative opinion is more than that - oh dear it is a judgement, and an uncomfortably wrong one at that.That sort of dictatorial stance appeals to despots. I have yet to meet a despot who can be trusted. I don’t want power handed to people who cut corners masquerading deceitfully behind a veil of moral rectitude.

George Knox ● 5324d

Damn, I should have focused more on my Chaucer in the sixth form rather than on shapely hips at the front of the class.Note to self. Must do better in case Goosey Lucy turns up.Angela.We all hate this clash of laws- complicated in this case by not wishing to release vital security information.. Both the main parties have been wrestling with how to change the laws but have failed in previous court actions. Despite them having some very top lawyers they have not been able yet to avoid the risk of putting themselves beyond the abuse of power.Human rights in one shape or other go back way before the statute brought in by the Labour party. Even if we do manage to get the present law changed successfully, there will in modern complex western democracies always be a very strong urge to protect people from wrongful imprisonment torture or death.It is worth remembering that this country probably was the first to get the ball rolling with Magna Carta. That has given us (apparently), the reputation that the British believe stoutly in fairness. It is very much part of our heritage and makes us who we are.That is one reason why I am very strongly opposed to Sharia Law being introduced into our legal system or the Constitution.It is also worth recalling that my parents generation had far greater cause individually and collectively to want to liquidate anyone killed by the Nazis ( who suspended the rule of law). But just 12 years after the war when those memories were so fresh, this country saw fit to outlaw hanging. Even the French who were so extremely badly treated have abolished the death penalty. There are few today who think hanging should be restored however awful the crime. At the time of writing I am not hugely confident that T May will succeed. But if not, this has become such a political hot potato, that I don't think the Coalition has any choice but to find a solution. But guaranteed it will not be a black and white solution.

George Knox ● 5324d

The home secretary, Theresa May, said official talks over the deportation of Abu Qatada were "moving in the right direction" after she returned to Britain from a three-day visit to Jordan.But more negotiations are needed before any final deportation deal that would at the minimum ensure that the radical Islamist cleric is returned to a British maximum security prison pending his forced return to Jordan."I have just returned from Jordan after constructive talks with the king and several ministers," said the home secretary."Those talks will now continue at an official level and build on the progress I made this week. The Jordanian government has been extremely helpful and will continue to be so. As everyone knows this is a complicated case that has lasted for a decade, but things are moving in a positive direction," said May.The home secretary met King Abdullah and the Jordanian prime minister, Awn Khasawneh, as well as other ministers.Qatada, who was once dubbed Osama bin Laden's right-hand man in Europe, has been released from Long Lartin maximum security prison and is living in north London under a 22-hour curfew and constant surveillance. His highly restrictive bail conditions will be lifted next month if "demonstrable progress" is not made in securing his deportation to Jordan.The 51-year-old radical Islamist cleric has been detained or under strict curfew as an international terror suspect in Britain for nearly nine years without trial or charge. He faces the prospect of a retrial for his involvement in two terror attacks more than 10 years ago in Amman for which he was convicted in absentia.The European court of human rights ruled in January that his deportation could not go ahead while he faced the prospect of a retrial based on evidence obtained by torture. The Strasbourg judges said that the use of torture and evidence obtained by torture was widespread and systemic in the Jordanian criminal justice system.The Jordanian state news agency, Petra, reported that Jordanian prime minister had also "expressed satisfaction with progress made in cooperation between the two governments on the issue of Jordanian citizen Abu Qatada".He did not elaborate on what developments there had been, but "stressed the importance of continued co-ordination on this matter, in a way that respects the independence of judicial systems in Jordan and Britain."Amman has pledged that Abu Qatada would get a "fair and transparent" trial if London extradites him to the kingdom"Jordan respects the rule of law as well as human rights. It has a judicial system that ensures fair trial of anybody on Jordanian territory," Khasawneh told May.The state news agency said that May had "hailed Jordan's improvement in human rights".

Nicola Howard ● 5302d

We CAN kick Qatada out! Former Home Office minister David Mellor insists UK could ignore European Court ruling and deport hate preacher to JordanAbu Qatada could be deported to Jordan if the Government chose to reject a European Court ruling, a former Home Office minister said today.David Mellor said Home Secretary Theresa May should simply ignore the ruling in Strasbourg that prevents Britain throwing out the hate preacher because he could stand trial for terrorism offences involving evidence gathered through torture.Speaking after Qatada was released from prison, he said: 'The ruling in Strasbourg is a gnat-bite that the British Government is totally free in law to ignore.'There is clearance up to the level of the Supreme Court here to deport him to Jordan, which is a friendly state with a civilised government.Freed on bail: Hate preacher Abu Qatada is released from Long Lartin Prison under the cover of darkness. It will cost £10,000 per week to keep him safeFreed on bail: Hate preacher Abu Qatada is released from Long Lartin Prison under the cover of darkness. It will cost £10,000 per week to keep him safeFRENCH HUNT TERRORIST WHO ESCAPED FROM HOUSE ARRESTA convicted Islamist terrorist is on the run after escaping from house arrest in France.Algerian extremist Said Arif, 46, fled while being held under tight bail conditions at a hotel in the southern city of Millau.His escape will fuel fears Abu Qatada may be helped to freedom from house arrest in Britain.Arif had links to Abu Musab Al Zarqawi, the deceased former leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq, and also met Osama bin Laden at terrorist training camps in Afghanistan in 2000.He was arrested in 2002 for plotting bomb attacks on French targets, and sentenced to ten years in prison in 2007.He was released in December, pending a court ruling on whether to deport him back to Algeria.But - as also in the case of Abu Qatada - European Court of Human Rights has asked for him not to be sent back to his homeland over risks he may be tortured.It was not revealed exactly when former Algerian soldier Arif escaped, but judicial sources said he had not reported to local police under his bail terms since January 22.One official source told French daily paper Le Monde: 'We have no idea at all where he is. He has vanishedHis lawyer Sebastien Bono said he had ‘no idea’ where his client was, adding: 'But he has no money and does not have working papers for France.'                                - IAN SPARKS'If the Home Secretary chose, as she should, to put him on a plane this morning and send him back, she would have broken no laws.He blamed 'paralysis' within the coalition for Mrs May’s failure to act.Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100718/Abu-Qatada-released-UK-ignore-ECHR-ruling-deport-hate-preacher-Jordan.html#ixzz1okQ3Of86

Nicola Howard ● 5302d

Abu Qatada appeal is ‘scraping the barrel’ claim lawyers as immigration judge decides whether he can be deported to Jordan    Tribunal told Qatada appeal against deportation 'bears all the hallmarks of a last-ditch argument'    Mr Justice Mitting has begun a 'factual review' of whether the 51-year-old radical cleric would get a fair trial if deported to Jordan    Qatada has thwarted every attempt by the Government over the last decade to put him on a plane    Deportation saga has cost Government nearly £1m in legal feesTerror suspect Abu Qatada is 'scraping the barrel' in an appeal against deportation which 'bears all the hallmarks of a last-ditch argument', a tribunal was told today.The radical cleric, described by a judge as Osama bin Laden's right-hand man in Europe, would receive a fair trial in Jordan if deported, lawyers for Home Secretary Theresa May said.The Government is satisfied that evidence gained through torture would not be used against Qatada in any trial over terror charges, Robin Tam QC, for the Home Secretary, said.Qatada, described by a judge as Osama bin Laden’s right-hand man in Europe, is facing a retrial on terror charges.Abu QatadaUncertain future: Abu Qatada is facing a retrial on terror charges after Home Secretary Theresa May was given assurances by Jordan that no evidence gained through torture would be used against himDiscussing the case as the hearing began, Mr Justice Mitting, president of the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (Siac), said: 'The evidence seems extremely thin.'He made the comment as he began a 'factual review' of the 51-year-old radical cleric's case.Qatada, who is also called Omar Mahmoud Mohammed Othman, has challenged and ultimately thwarted every attempt by the Government over the last decade to put him on a plane and is fighting against deportation at the immigration tribunal appeal in central London.Mr Tam said statements from Qatada's former co-defendants - Al-Hamasher and Abu Hawsher - which were alleged to have been obtained by torture could no longer be used by the Jordanian courts.Mr Justice MittingReview: Mr Justice Mitting, president of the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (Siac), said: 'The evidence seems extremely thin'He also rejected suggestions by Qatada's legal team that the pair would suffer ill-treatment or otherwise be unduly pressured if called to give evidence under oath in any retrial.He said: 'It is submitted that this assertion of future ill-treatment of the former co-defendants bears all the hallmarks of a last-ditch argument.'Mr Tam also rejected a new claim by Qatada's lawyers that the radical cleric would be taken into administrative detention if returned to Jordan.'This contention simply illustrates the extent to which the appellant is scraping the barrel in this appeal,' Mr Tam said.He went on: 'In reality, the position is clear: as a matter of Jordanian law, the previous statements made by Al-Hamasher and Abu Hawsher will not form part of the evidence which is considered by the court in the retrial of the appellant.'The two men will be called to give fresh evidence, and if they do so, will be able to give their evidence freely and without fear of reprisal.'In a written skeleton argument handed to the court, Mr Tam said the Home Secretary 'will highlight the new information and assurances which she has received' from Jordan.Anthony Layden, 66, the former British ambassador to Libya who specialises in negotiating diplomatic assurances, will give evidence to the appeal, in front of Siac president Mr Justice Mitting, tomorrow.He will describe how the Jordanian authorities 'have given all possible assistance in terms of establishing in more detail precisely what procedures would be followed in the appellant's retrial', Mr Tam said.However, Danny Friedman, representing Qatada, said: 'I think there are some serious issues with the allegations made against Mr Othman.'He was referring to terror charges which Qatada was convicted of in Jordan in his absence and for which he faces a retrial.Mr Friedman also insisted Qatada’s lawyers’ aim was not simply to delay proceedings further by launching yet more appeals.'That was not necessarily our aim, two more appeals and 10 more years,' he said.Home Secretary Theresa MayInvolved: Qatada is facing a retrial on terror charges after Home Secretary Theresa May (pictured) was given assurances by Jordan that no evidence gained through torture would be used against himBut even if Qatada loses when the decision is handed down next month, it could still be many months before the Government can send him to Jordan as he could eventually appeal again to Europe’s human rights judges.Qatada, who is in custody, did not attend today’s hearing.Repeated failed attempts by UK governments over the last 10 years to deport Qatada have cost nearly £1m in legal fees, Government figures show.Abu QatadaExpensive: Repeated failed attempts by UK governments over the last 10 years to deport Qatada have cost nearly £1m in legal feesNo figures have been given for how much Qatada has received in legal aid and some estimates put the cost of keeping Qatada in the UK, either in a high-security jail or closely monitored under strict conditions in the community, along with the legal costs of the fight to deport him, at more than £3m.At the High Court this summer, Edward Fitzgerald QC, representing Qatada, said the cleric has now been in detention for seven years - 'the longest period of administrative detention as far as we know in modern English history'.He was last refused bail over the Olympics, when police and security services were fully stretched, with judges also ruling that the risk of him absconding in the run-up to today’s hearing justified his continued detention.Lord Justice Hughes and Mr Justice Silber said they did not agree with Mr Fitzgerald’s 'gloomy prognosis that another year or more of litigation is to be expected after the fortnight’s hearing in Siac'.Qatada could appeal against the Siac ruling, the judges said, but any appeal 'would have to be on points of law' and it was not 'an inevitability' that the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg would want to hear the case again.Qatada, who is said to have wide and high-level support among extremists, was convicted in his absence in Jordan of involvement with terror attacks in 1998 and faces a retrial in his home country.He also featured in hate sermons found on videos in the flat of one of the September 11 bombers.Europe’s human rights judges ruled in January that Qatada could only be deported if evidence gained through torture would not be used against him in his trial.The appeal will test whether Mrs May has secured assurances from Jordan to ensure a fair trial and whether deportation proceedings can continue, rather than only the strength of the case against him.Anthony Laydan, the former British ambassador to Libya who specialises in negotiating diplomatic assurances, will give evidence tomorrow.He is expected to be followed by a Jordanian lawyer who advises the British Embassy in Amman.

Nicola Howard ● 5086d

I would seriously doubt that if the individual is deported to stand trial his family will accompany him, on the basis they are not on trial for any terrorist charges, though the Home Office and news reports have been silent on the issue.What has not been addressed as this case has unfolded is how a repeat situation can be avoided. Asylum is given to a person fleeing inappropriate persecution in their home country for their views (a principle the UK has long stood by over many centuries) yet subsequent actions by the individual in this country show the fostering and promoting of potentially illegal behaviour either inside or outside this country. There seem to have been many warning signs in the twenty years the individual has been here and neither action under UK law or removal of right to reside have arisen - the basis of any deportation that will happen is claimed incitement of terrorist acts in another country (Jordan).Some of the comments in this long running thread worry me since they seem hung up on the individual and not the core issue and principles. I feel there are many other cases over the years that have justified the UK's long standing historical approach in granting asylum but a need to recalibrate UK law and rules seems to still be wide open and May's outpourings do not seem to have seriously addressed.The more interesting case in shaking up the UK laws may well be if the Assad dynasty falls in Syria but survives and escapes and what happens if his wife as a UK citizen (born in W3) tries to return to the UK, though it seems she is currently subject to EU restrictions

Joe Conneely ● 4821d

Dee I do not know if the first statement is correct. Clearly people will often flee across a nearby border but it is not uncommon for them to move further away in seeking a longer term safety base to operate from. For example Ayatollah Khomeini lived in exile in France for many years before the fall of the Shah and his triumphant return home.The UK has had a long tradition over many centuries of granting refuge to individuals and groups forced out of their homeland and I think it is one of the great strengths of establishing our multi cultural UK society and freedom of speech.Do they come her because of our social security system and ability to bring their extended families? I think that is hard to prove or disprove - from contact with the charity Freedom from Torture (previously known as the Medical Foundation) many of the victims they deal with are simply happy to be alive and recover their health and sanity versus a decision based on trawling international comparisons of social benefits.In contrast, the case of Abu Qatada is one where the whole roadmap seems to be one of major wasted costs (personal security and legal defence costs plus other government expense) that dwarfs any social benefits. The growing giving forth in sermons inciting hate especially post 9/11 and the raid on his home that found major sums of money being held in cash in retrospect seem missed opportunities to have tackled the problem. My issue was and remains how we avoid a repeat without losing the historical heritage of being a refuge for the many other deserving cases.

Joe Conneely ● 4820d